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jpk, 2005-10-10 18:37:11

Oioioi...

/lähep vaatlejaks/

Heelium, jälgija, 2005-10-10 18:37:14

St. sa saad ju ikka aru, et hinnangu lühikeseks väljendamiseks on vaja selget nimekirja, mis sisaldaks kõike olulist? Sest järsku ma muidu avaldan hinnangut hoopis mõne asja kohta, mis on minu jaoks praegu oluline ja millele su kogemus üldse ei pretendeeri.

See nimekiri on hädavajalik, et ma su soovi täita saaks. Peale seda proovin vastuse lühidalt, selgelt ja täpselt sõnastada.

Heelium, nipitiri, 2005-10-10 18:55:46

ennast pean õpilaseks...
mitte õpetajaks...

Minu tagasihoidlik ja selles teemas üsna ebakindel arvamus ka, kui me siin juba kõik sind kritiseerime...

PS. vahest on mõtet vaadelda maailma nii, et õpetajaid ja õpilasi ei eksisteeri, ma arvan ;)

Ma olen täheldanud, et iseenda jaoks olen näiteks ma ise parim õpetaja. Või noh, mõnest paradigmast lähtudes loen ma enda õpetajaks Jumala, aga ma olen praegu hetkel sellest kontekstist kaugel — muidugi, kui Jumala asemele panna Elu, siis ei erineks see sisuliselt kunagi :)

Aga ma arvan, et sulle oleks ka ehk kasulik mõelda iseendale just kui õpetajale ...mitte ehk kellegi teise, aga iseenda omale ...ja vahel juhtub, et suurim loll on parim õpetaja lihtsalt tänu sellele, mida ta vältima õpetab :) Ja vahest tuleb mõni inimene mingit päris vale ideed peale suruma, aga see tegevus ise viib õige idee vastu võtmiseni.

Ja ma võib-olla saan aru, et jälgija ei ole ehk õpetaja selle sõna parimates tähendustes ehk siis mitte see, kes õpetab seda, mida ise teab. Aga ma olen juhtunud lugema, et ka ajaloo suurimad tunnustatud õpetajad idamaa kultuurides ei pretendeeri üldse sellele, et nad õpetaks seda, mida ise teavad.

Raske oleks tõesti uskuda, et see kuidagi tervistavalt mõjuks, kui kõik oma teadmised jälgijalt saada, aga siin ja praegu on meil kõigil tast ehk kasu :)

(ma kasutasin vist siin postis küll õpetajat teises tähenduses, kui on sõna Mahatma)

Üldse, ehkki ma arvan, et selle õpetaja tekstid on ilma komplementaarita ehk pisut stagnatsioonini viivad, on ühe võimeka ja tulemusliku inimese tsitaate, kes omas keskkonnas midagi suurt ära tegi, vahest hea lugeda:

“I think it would be a good idea.”
Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization

It is unwise to be too sure of one’s own wisdom. It is healthy to be reminded that the strongest might weaken and the wisest might err.

Always aim at complete harmony of thought and word and deed. Always aim at purifying your thoughts and everything will be well.

You must be the change you want to see in the world.

You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty.

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

As long as you derive inner help and comfort from anything, keep it.

Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.

Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony.

Hate the sin, love the sinner.

Honest differences are often a healthy sign of progress.

I believe in equality for everyone, except reporters and photographers.

I want freedom for the full expression on my personality.

In the attitude of silence the soul finds the path in a clearer light, and what is elusive and deceptive resolves itself into crystal clearness. Our life is a long and arduous quest after Truth.

Indolence is a delightful but distressing state; we must be doing something to be happy.

It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence.

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.

Heelium, jpk, 2005-10-10 19:03:38

Mulle tuli selle “deja vu”ga seoses midagi meelde ...deja vour.

DiaTheo, Nipitiri, 2005-10-10 19:08:38

No siis muidugi!

33338, 2005-10-10 19:17:05

ej tea mida se tähändaks?

Heelium, 33338, 2005-10-10 19:25:18

Ma ei hakka üldse mõtlemagi, mille tähendusele sa viitad, aga ma arvan, et ma ei tea ka.

Viimased postitused on ainult ühe suunitlusega minu poolt — tekitada segadust.

Ja segadust ma oskan tekitada, selles olen ma palju kordi veenduda saanud — vaja on ainult põhjust :)

Heelium, 33338, 2005-10-10 19:27:05

Mul on vaja jälgijalt täispikkuses nimekirja tglt saada ...nagu, isiklikult alla kirjutatud jne.. Ega mul palju kommenteerida polegi, aga see oleks nagu edasise kohtumõistmise alusleping. Siis ma saaks pärast jälgija kallal täiega norida, kui mul oleks see 100 kirjega nimekiri, mille põhjal ta inimeste üle kohut mõistab siin :)

Hele, 2005-10-10 19:37:12

Heelium: on mõned suhteliselt selged ja konkreetsed kriteeriumid, millele see tüdruk peaks vastama, et sellest mingit mõttetut jama ei tuleks.

Tglt peaks ta emotsionaalselt väga arenenud olema (kuna see mulle lihtsalt meeldiks) ja samuti kõrge iq'ga (kuna see oleks suht hädavajalik).

Hea oleks mõelda ka sellele, milline sa ise peaksid olema, et mõni vähegi normaalne tüdruk üldse asjast huvituks (rääkimatta kõrgeltarenenutest). Kellele ei meeldiks kõrge EQ ja IQ, Milla Jovovich ja Miss Universum, aga väärt partnerile pretendeerides peab ka ise ligikaudu samal tasemel olema.

Linkide alt... poleks arvanud, et see INTP nii hull asi on. Ma kah INTP, aga lingialuse teksti järgi otsustades “kergel kujul”.

Uuk, 2005-10-10 20:28:17

Nii et hakkame Heeliumile vastavat naist otsima.

: )

Heelium, Hele, 2005-10-10 20:39:41

Hea oleks mõelda ka sellele, milline sa ise peaksid olema, et mõni vähegi normaalne tüdruk üldse asjast huvituks (rääkimatta kõrgeltarenenutest). Kellele ei meeldiks kõrge EQ ja IQ, Milla Jovovich ja Miss Universum, aga väärt partnerile pretendeerides peab ka ise ligikaudu samal tasemel olema.

No ma võtan siin ikka enda mõõdupuu järgi “kõrge”.

Linkide alt... poleks arvanud, et see INTP nii hull asi on. Ma kah INTP, aga lingialuse teksti järgi otsustades “kergel kujul”.

See siis seletab natuke head läbisaamist ...st. viitab natuke selle põhjustele :)

Ma ei tea, kumba linki sa mõtled. Esimene link on nagu natuke huumor (st. ilmselgelt ei tegele nt iga pisiasjaga nii, nagu see esialgne pildi näide, sest pool aastat * ettejäävate detailide arv = ?), teises on tsitaadid Keplinski teemast.

Samas, Jungi järgi võttes peaks see määrama aju funktsioonid — ja seega võib uskuda, et leidub päris äärmuslikke INTP'sid, kes peaaegu üheski konkreetses punktis kirjeldatule ei vasta. Ja enamiku tekstide järgi paljud põhijooned vanemas eas taanduvad.

Mina nt. erinen sellest asjast seal (kirjeldustest) mitme joone poolest ...mis õieti seal on sellist, mida sa enda kohta öelda ei saaks, nendes tekstides?

On veel muid kriteeriume ka ..Jungile viidates tooks välja ühe “tühise detaili”, et näiteks naised pidid üldiselt alati F poole kalduma ja et ta on puhtaid T'sid nende hulgas harva näinud (ja vastupidi) — samas selliseid väiteid oli veel. Samuti on nt. lääs kõige täiega ekstravertsem, kui ida ja siinne introvert seega vähem tõenäoliselt sama introvertne, kui sealne suurema tõenäosusega — ja Jungi lugedes leiab selliseid asju palju.

uuk, 2005-10-10 20:40:49

Saada postiga, soovitatavalt elektroonilisega, ma ei viitsi järgi tulla.

Heelium, uuk, 2005-10-10 20:43:55

Sry et ma sinu nime all postitasin, see oli tglt vastus sulle :)

St. ma tööl mingis mõttetus arvutis, minu arvutis installivad mulle videokaarti ja teist linuxit ja ma ei tea, mida kõike veel...

Uuk, Heelium, 2005-10-10 20:48:13

Juhtub ikka.

: )

rannatüdruk, 2005-10-10 21:06:51

jälgija
Sai selgemaks?

Sai justkui.

Ti, Heelium, 2005-10-10 21:16:00

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Viimased postitused on ainult ühe suunitlusega minu poolt — tekitada segadust.

Hmm..
Kelles siis segadust? Endas või teistes? :)

Uuk, He, 2005-10-10 21:16:18

Ae, ei midagi isiklikku, lihtsalt su alias meeldib Kuuklismile. Annab he´st säänse moodsa lullituse:

he is able at http
he is able
he is risen join ring
he is faithful christian chat room
he is raped
he is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or
he is my son
he is allah
he is just a rat
he is raised
he is risen at kings site on the net dedicated to
he is beautiful
he is arisen
he is christ
he is simply
he is
he is good
he is the one
he is the light of the world~
he is faithful
he is risen at jesuscares ministries
he is determined to bolster shaky economy
he is risen marketing material
he is risen at bible trivia site on the
he is versatile
he is the bestower
he is the compassionate
he is risen at precious lord
he is here" lyrics
he is the man
he is decorated
he is with you
he is just my dog
he is not afraid to fly
he is coming
he is so fine good bye here’s some hotties for ya
he is under ‘complete siege’
he is born
he is coming down for us
he is risen christ nature ministries christnature
he is in love with her & wantes to leave his wife
he is risen ©
he is risen
he is us
he is pained by occupation of jerusalem
he is my defense
he is a liar
he is able here
he is able is not a public domain site
he is ministries worship center
he is faithful christian chat entry page
he is currently waiting for a lung transplant
he is not here
he is just a rat and rat boy are trademarks of tony walsh
he is coming is a monthly newsletter published as an outreach ministry of lion and lamb ministries
he is the tourist guy
he is risen at kings site on the net
he is us" cartoon
he is free to go
he is the architect of kampala kids league
he is sincere staff and agencies friday august 23
he is the christ"
he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their
he is outraged by enron outcome
he is consulting with congress
he is my everything'
he is determined to bolster shaky economy president spurns $5
he is risen banner
he is risen at bible trivia site on the net
he is “not allowed to comment” on what happened because it is a security matter
he is here
he is risen" animation has moved to a new url
he is risen at precious lord take my hand
he is one of the top actors in the world
he is decorated boris yeltsin
he is the spy
he is with you god is our refuge and strength
he is your brother
he is my other eyes that can see above the clouds; my other ears that hear above the winds
he is not afraid to fly moscow
he is my all
he is god
he is risen" with someone you love
he is in love with her & wantes to leave his wife
he is not well
he is risen resurrection sunday march 31st
he is verse i it’s the only explanation to the question at hand like years of pain gone away in a single day there’s nothing that
he is assigned to help the
he is the true leader of the muslims
he is my
he is a liar eric lanam

http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=He&type=1

Heelium, Ti, 2005-10-10 21:55:50

Kelles siis segadust? Endas või teistes? :)

No endas loomulikult. Kelles ma siis veel segadust saan tekitada?

Kaosest võib midagi huvitavat tekkida :)

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PS. uuk ma sain naerta küll sele lullituse üll :)

Heelium, uuk, 2005-10-10 21:59:40

Sinu nimi ei anna seal miskit, aga ...

hele is a member of america walks
hele is now a resident artist at “dancing brush studio”
hele is an american paint horse association registered four
hele is hawai`i’s official state flower
hele is a talkative
hele is an excellent touring base and central for activity centres providing fishing
hele is in domesday
hele is administered by the department of land and natural resources
hele is the state of hawai`i trail and access program
hele is to conceal
hele is gathering information on available resources and is also getting feedback on user experiences through focus group discussions
hele is following hokule'a as a second canoe might have on an anceint voyage of exploration and discovery
hele is provisioned and fueled
hele is reported
hele is castle high school’s sierra club
hele is the manana ridge trail in pearl city
hele is dropping out of the right time to buy range
hele is hawai'i’s state and trail access system under the hawaii state department of forestry and wildlife
hele is preparing to open a tourism office in the united states next year
hele is well suit to the dry lee areas of the islands
hele is that in devoran wesleyan methodist church
hele is anpi’s principal
hele is the leading authority of erasmus darwin
hele is dus 1/81 van de snaarlengte
hele is almost invariable associated with the word “conceal”
hele is a fully organic dairy farm
hele is a program of
hele is the trail and access program in the state department of land and natural resources division of forestry and wildlife
hele is supported by 6 towns
hele is
hele is inspired by the death of a up student who committed suicide by jumping from the as building some years back
hele is dit een goed solide boek met veel handige informatie
hele is/ikt
hele is general manager of the hunter resort and brian mcguigan talks about taking the tourist experience one step further by developing other
hele is not
hele is a branch of the division of forestry and wildlife
hele is pronounced “heel” or “hail”?
hele is in
hele is om 11
hele is just above the brown field
hele is the resident dispenser & secretary
hele is the 63
hele is groep afgebouwd gaat worden; er wordt gekeken naar de mogelijkheden van natuurlijk verloop voor 57+ en 59
hele is about to install a 7/8" gts swaybar
hele is not difficult in itself
hele is a guter
hele is this i can watch it new esier it is from wat
hele is een bijvoeglijk naamwoord enzovoort
hele is kunne ha forent seg med rv
hele is kunne ha >forent seg med rv
hele is the verb “to go
hele is out of
hele is analysed carefully and verified by the gauss form of lagrange equations
hele is one of the few state agencies that can indemnify a
hele is bobbing peacefully
hele is mostly about his carreer as a satellite observer and researcher and not so much on the orbital
hele is een aangeleerde
hele is a ringer at west kirby so his input here is especially valued
hele is highly poetic and makes good use of many traditional polynesian literary devices
hele is the native yellow hibiscus
hele is a pedestrian advocacy group
hele is turned into seknesse
hele is trading modestly lower today
hele is largely responsible for
hele is ”fiks ferdig" * ved
hele is one of those entities
hele is so pretty
hele is used for “ty” speech
hele is used for “ty” speech anglicky
hele is the lice
hele is voor mij een
hele is ipv een 3/4 * dat
hele is in ieder geval onvergetelijk geweest

http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=hele&type=1

Ti, Heelium, 2005-10-10 22:15:48

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No endas loomulikult. Kelles ma siis veel segadust saan tekitada?

Puhh.. :)))
Siis on vahva. Proovi.
Kui midagi sünnib sest kaosest- anna teada :)

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